[Talk-br] Possibility to build a new Historic Project to OSM

[Rodrigo Mariano]

To whom it may concern,



My name is Rodrigo and I am doing a Master's degree in Applied Computing at
the brazilian National Institute for Space Research (INPE).

I am part of the Pauliceia's project that aims to develop a computational
platform to manipulate historical data in a collaborative way, focusing on
the city of São Paulo. For more information: https://wiki.dpi.inpe.br/
pauliceia/doku.php

In our context, historical data may be objects (e.g. building or monument)
or historical events (e.g. crimes in 1930).

I would like to know: is there a possibility the Pauliceia's project have
integration with a Historic Project? Like Open Historical Map (OHM) [1]?

I know that OHM is just to historical objects and the Historic Event [2]
was rejected. Even so, is there a chance to build it? To save the
information in OSM?

The Pauliceia's project is in a initial fase, so there is not a lot of
things to show to all you.

I created a wiki page do the Pauliceia's project in OSM wiki [2], however
the detailed is in the original wiki of INPE yet [4] and I am reading the
Import/Guidelines [5].

I would like to want to talk, with all you, before to start to develop the
database, to know the opinion of the community.



Thank you in advance.


[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map

[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/historic_event

[3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pauliceia2.0

[4] https://wiki.dpi.inpe.br/pauliceia/doku.php

[5] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines


PS: I sent this email with my official email, however I forgot that I am in
the lists with this email.


Regards,

[Rodrigo M. Mariano]

To whom it may concern,

My name is Rodrigo and I am doing a
Master's degree in Applied Computing at the brazilian National Institute
for Space Research (INPE).

I am part of the Pauliceia's project that
aims to develop a computational platform to manipulate historical data
in a collaborative way, focusing on the city of São Paulo. For more
information: https://wiki.dpi.inpe.br/pauliceia/doku.php

In our
context, historical data may be objects (e.g. building or monument) or
historical events (e.g. crimes in 1930).

I would like to know: is
there a possibility the Pauliceia's project have integration with a
Historic Project? Like Open Historical Map (OHM) [1]?

I know that OHM
is just to historical objects and the Historic Event [2] was rejected.
Even so, is there a chance to build it? To save the information in OSM?


The Pauliceia's project is in a initial fase, so there is not a lot of
things to show to all you.

I created a wiki page do the Pauliceia's
project in OSM wiki [2], however the detailed is in the original wiki of
INPE yet [4] and I am reading the Import/Guidelines [5].

I would like
to want to talk, with all you, before to start to develop the database,
to know the opinion of the community.

Thank you in advance.

[1]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map

[2]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/historic_event

[3]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pauliceia2.0

[4]
https://wiki.dpi.inpe.br/pauliceia/doku.php

[5]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines

Regards,

--


Rodrigo M. Mariano

Departamento de Tecnologia da Informação do
Laboratório Associado de Computação e Matemática Aplicada -
LAC
Instituto Nacional de Pesquisas Espaciais - INPE
Av. dos
Astronautas, 1.758 - Jardim da Granja
CEP: 12227-010 - São José dos
Campos/SP.
Tel.: [phone]

[Tim Waters]

Hi Rodrigo,

Speaking of OpenHistoricalMap I think historic events bound to
geography would be welcome. The Historic Event proposal was for the
different but of course bigger OSM project.The example given in the
wiki page was historic battlefields which would be suitable.

I think there could be discussion about notability. For example, if a
city records and notifies that an event occured in a place (e.g. Blue
Plaques) then we can say it's notable for sure. At any rate the event
should be able to be verified by another mapper.

I don't think that more general events such as "crimes in 1930s" would
be appropriate in OHM however - at one geographical level this is
statistical information, and one that might be better linked to the
historic geographic area. At individual level it may not be notable -
but a prominent assasination might be.

So I think OHM could fit some of your needs. Getting the historic
geodata and basemap in could be more of a challenge!

regards,

Tim

Post by Rodrigo Mariano
To whom it may concern,
My name is Rodrigo and I am doing a Master's degree in Applied Computing at
the brazilian National Institute for Space Research (INPE).
I am part of the Pauliceia's project that aims to develop a computational
platform to manipulate historical data in a collaborative way, focusing on
https://wiki.dpi.inpe.br/pauliceia/doku.php
In our context, historical data may be objects (e.g. building or monument)
or historical events (e.g. crimes in 1930).
I would like to know: is there a possibility the Pauliceia's project have
integration with a Historic Project? Like Open Historical Map (OHM) [1]?
I know that OHM is just to historical objects and the Historic Event [2] was
rejected. Even so, is there a chance to build it? To save the information in
OSM?
The Pauliceia's project is in a initial fase, so there is not a lot of
things to show to all you.
I created a wiki page do the Pauliceia's project in OSM wiki [2], however
the detailed is in the original wiki of INPE yet [4] and I am reading the
Import/Guidelines [5].
I would like to want to talk, with all you, before to start to develop the
database, to know the opinion of the community.
Thank you in advance.
[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/historic_event
[3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pauliceia2.0
[4] https://wiki.dpi.inpe.br/pauliceia/doku.php
[5] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
PS: I sent this email with my official email, however I forgot that I am in
the lists with this email.
Regards,
--
Rodrigo M. Mariano
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[Rodrigo Mariano]

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Hi Tim and Richard,

Speaking of OpenHistoricalMap I think historic events bound to geography

would be welcome. The Historic Event proposal was for the different but of
course bigger OSM project.The example given in the wiki page was historic
battlefields which would be suitable.

I think there could be discussion about notability. For example, if a

city records and notifies that an event occured in a place (e.g. Blue
Plaques) then we can say it's notable for sure. At any rate the event
should be able to be verified by another mapper.

I tried to describe a bit about the notation of the categories in wiki page
[1]. Is correct? (Or in the right way?)

I don't think that more general events such as "crimes in 1930s" would be

appropriate in OHM however - at one geographical level this is statistical
information, and one that might be better linked to the historic geographic
area. At individual level it may not be notable - but a prominent
assasination might be.

I agree with you. In this case, "crimes" were a example.

i have an ongoing interest in doing a battlefield project. i think we

need to think about what kind of framework we need to describe events, what
it should include and what it can omit. we probably want to develop use
cases so that we can think about how the pieces should go together.

Would the features of this framework be like the tags? Which types of data
and their attributes can be included? Example: buildings like churchs, that
have a name, start date and etc.


I have described the basics of historical tags on the wiki page [1].

To be able to do data insertion through API: do I need a specific
authorization? Or to insert data, do I need to create a server node
connected to OSM?


PS: I'm new on OSM. So excuse me for any "rookie" question.



[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pauliceia2.0


Regards,

Post by Tim Waters
Hi Rodrigo,
Speaking of OpenHistoricalMap I think historic events bound to
geography would be welcome. The Historic Event proposal was for the
different but of course bigger OSM project.The example given in the
wiki page was historic battlefields which would be suitable.

i have an ongoing interest in doing a battlefield project. i think we need
to think about what kind of framework we need to describe events, what
it should include and what it can omit. we probably want to develop use
cases so that we can think about how the pieces should go together.

Post by Tim Waters
I think there could be discussion about notability. For example, if a
city records and notifies that an event occured in a place (e.g. Blue
Plaques) then we can say it's notable for sure. At any rate the event
should be able to be verified by another mapper.

we also should probably have a discussion about documentation standards,
recognizing that not all historical events have detailed documentation. i
can find extensive documentation for many battles of the American Civil
War. the documentation for most of the battles of the Revolutionary War
is much thinner.
richard
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[Nelson A. de Oliveira]

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Rodrigo, que tipo exatamente de eventos/locais históricos você tem
interesse em inserir no OSM?

[Rodrigo Mariano]

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Date: 2017-08-11 18:57 GMT-03:00
Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Possibility to build a new Historic Project to OSM
To: "Nelson A. de Oliveira" <***@gmail.com>


Olá Nelson, boa noite,


O projeto visa criar uma plataforma computacional para ajudar aos
pesquisadores de História a reconstruir a história de SP.

Nesse caso, os dados podem ser qualquer dado histórico das pesquisas deles.
O leque de possibilidades é praticamente infinito. Podem ser assassinatos,
roubos, locais de hotéis, bares, fontes de água, pontos parada de bonde,
postes de luz, greves operárias, Igrejas, cortiços e etc.

Vai depender do que pesquisou a pessoa interessada em alimentar a
plataforma.


Saudações,

Rodrigo Mariano

Post by Nelson A. de Oliveira
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Rodrigo, que tipo exatamente de eventos/locais históricos você tem
interesse em inserir no OSM?